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Old 01-22-2019, 08:18 PM   #1
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Salut ,

Je n'ai jamais croisé ce genre de problème.

Véhicule qui s’arrête en pleine route et démarrage impossible.

1er diag:
P2141==>commande du doseur d'air
P2291==>surveillance démarrage
P0513==>surveillance démarrage
U1218==>Réseau Can intersystème
P0087==>Circuit de carburant
P11B2==>Contacteur de position Bypass de l’échangeur d'air EGR
P0215==>Relais principal
P050B==>Surveillance démarrage
P12A5==>Cylindre 2

Je pense que la plus par des défauts sont lié au faite d'insisté sur le démarreur (problème de tension)


2eme diag:
P050B==>Surveillance démarrage

Difficile de faire quelque chose avec ce défaut.

Lorsque on lance le démarreur le moteur est entraîné mais il ne ce lance pas, comme si le carburant n'arrivait pas.

Vous en pensez quoi ?
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Old 01-22-2019, 08:36 PM   #2
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Bonsoir.Peut être un problème de gaz oil prise d'air ou autre.Regarde la haute pressoon obtenue sous l'action du démarreur.
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Salut, à ta place je commencerais par contrôler le câblage de l'injecteur N°2 entre l'inecteur et l'ecu moteur, ensuite l'injecteur N°2 à cause de ton défaut P12A5.

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c'est marqué noir sur blanc,rupture de communication du code pin
ton calculateur est verouillé
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c'est marqué noir sur blanc,rupture de communication du code pin
ton calculateur est verouillé
Tu vois cela ou ?
Est ce que c'est bien ce défauts :
U1218==>Réseau Can intersystème

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Le defaut U1218 c'est que ton capteur de courant cmm ne reçoit pas ou mal la tension batterie donc rien à voir,
mais je ne sais paw sur quel defaut Yann3 à vu que ton calculateur est verouillé.
Intéressant!

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salut,

P050B dans ton cas =
Temps de démarrage supérieur à 7,5 secondes lorsque la température extérieure est égale à 0 °C"
Temps de démarrage supérieur à 6 secondes lorsque la température extérieure est égale à 10 °C

je dirais dans un premier temps voir le circuit bp ou changer directement le filtre a gazole.

esce que une fois que tu arrive a le remettre en route le moteur claque fort ?

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avec les température en ce moment fait attention si le filtre a gazole est pas colmaté...
je pense que tu m'avais compris mais bon .....
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P0215 relais d'autorisation de démarrage collé ou faisceau mauvaise ligne
controle si ton ecu est verouillé,mais je pense que oui

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tiens encore mieux
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Old 01-22-2019, 10:45 PM   #9
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Hello

On commence par le début :

a) Liste des défauts c'est bien mais on regarde aussi le contexte d'apparition car certains sont peut être là depuis quelques temps

b) Arret moteur et non redemarrage , là c'est interessant , surtout avec le P0087 qui donne pression faible , le P50B et P2291 qui symbolise un demarrage trop long ou pression GO faible .

c) Le reste des défaut , cela dépend , quel est le type moteur ?? , quel est la tension batterie ??

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P0215 relais d'autorisation de démarrage collé ou faisceau mauvaise ligne
controle si ton ecu est verouillé,mais je pense que oui

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Le problème c'est qu'il dit que la voiture c'est arreter en roulant , si elle n'avait jamais démarrer j'aurais suivi ton raisonnement mais ce n'est pas le cas.

J'ai déjà eu plusieurs fois sur plusieurs vehicules ces defauts surveillance démarrage à cause de la batterie trop faible ou chute de tension cosse mal serrer etc...
P2291==>surveillance démarrage

P0513==>surveillance démarrage

P0215==>surveillance démarrage

C'étais des defauts furtif.



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Salut,

tous les DTC du 1er diag ne sont plus présents après avoir effectué un effacement général...

Donc il nous reste le DTC P050B: que donne la synchro capteur PMH/AAC, lors du démarrage, OK ou non OK ?
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perso têtu que je suis ..... c'est le filtre a gazole hs....
temps de démarrage trop long + coupure en roulant et non redémarrage .................
je met un billet la dessus ...
enfin je met un billet en fonction du temps avec la météo quoi lol

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au passage les véhicule pas entretenu en ce moment je les voit plus que dh'ab forcement...
j'en suis a 5 filtre a gazole hs lol..
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Si le filtre à gasoil était colmaté (BP pas OK), tu devrais pas avoir un défaut de surveillance de la pression de rail...??

Pour moi, pas d'autorisation de formation de pression de rail par l'ECU moteur, car il n'a pas de retour synchro...

On lance les paris !!! lol
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en psa dcm3.5 oui on peu lancer les paris...
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Et si synchro pas OK, vérification des capteurs PMH/AAC et de leur faisceau...

Si OK, vérification de la distribution...

Je suis confiant ! mdr

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Tu maitrises bien ton sujet rotax (psa)... ça craint pour ma gueule lol
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