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POCOYO 12/08/2020 15h56

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Il est fort probable que la voiture a été manipulé au niveau bsi etc (modification du VIN, pièces venant d'une voiture X).
Mais, ce qui ne résout pas mon problème des télécommandes HF.
Concession : 2000€ réparations.


Salut c’est une merguez en fait ce véhicule

Définition de la merguez pour une bonne compréhension

La merguez est une petite saucisse rouge épicée du Maghreb, d'environ deux centimètres de diamètre, à base d'un hachis de viande introduit dans de l'intestin grêle de mouton. La viande peut être de la viande de bœuf et/ou de mouton


Mais il arrive que ça ressemble aussi à ça :


les merguez peuvent contenir du porc, veau, chèvre, cheval, âne, mulet, volaille, lapin, gibier à condition que cela soit précisé dans l'étiquetage

D’où l’expression imagée pour un véhicule similaire à l’historique que tu décris

Allez cordialement et bonne continuation

gpv 02/09/2020 22h22

Mon français est terrible, donc ma réponse est en anglais:

It sounds like the BSI and ADML don't synchronize...

It resembles a problem I had with a Renault Clio from 2016. BSI (UCH) was coded and automatically configured to the car, but the remote function didn't work properly:
I could lock the vehicle, but NOT unlock. Finally I found the problem: the HFM (handsfree module) wasn't paired/authorized. The BSI would even go in anti-scanning mode after 3 unlock attempts. (starting the car was no problem)

I could only resolve this problem by up****** the software on the BSI. After the software update it automatically paired the BSI with the HFM.

With PSA cars, I regularly could solve 'strange' problems with up****** the software...

Although the BSI is new, maybe you can perform a software update?
Or maybe update the software of the ADML?

Good luck!
Geert

BlackWar 23/09/2020 03h09

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Mon français est terrible, donc ma réponse est en anglais:

It sounds like the BSI and ADML don't synchronize...

It resembles a problem I had with a Renault Clio from 2016. BSI (UCH) was coded and automatically configured to the car, but the remote function didn't work properly:
I could lock the vehicle, but NOT unlock. Finally I found the problem: the HFM (handsfree module) wasn't paired/authorized. The BSI would even go in anti-scanning mode after 3 unlock attempts. (starting the car was no problem)

I could only resolve this problem by up****** the software on the BSI. After the software update it automatically paired the BSI with the HFM.

With PSA cars, I regularly could solve 'strange' problems with up****** the software...

Although the BSI is new, maybe you can perform a software update?
Or maybe update the software of the ADML?

Good luck!
Geert

Hello Geert, the problem is that the new BSI is come directly from PSA factory and the BSI has already the last version of firmware (flash memory).
We have tried to update it with Diagbox.
That I don't understand, why keyless (ADML part : lock, unlock and start engine) system is working fine... ADML is using the same frequency 433,92Mhz and coding but i'm not able to syncronize remote keyless buttons...
I have also replaced keys by new one that I have bought as well from PSA dealer.

P.S : my question there's some dependancy between VIN and PIN code ?
For example, if I will buy used BSI + ADML + remotes from another car and I will change only VIN on them. Remote buttons will work or it will be the same case that I have now ?

louay 23/09/2020 13h52

salut je viens de changer sur 308 2017 bsi et clés et pareil je me retrouve dans le même cas impossible de synchroniser les télécommandes. Voiture demarre et keyless fonctionne.
Programmation et codage en ligne avec Diagbox jeton.
Je me retrouve dans la même situation que toi

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... et pareil j'ai OUI sur "réception d'un message non identifié

gpv 23/09/2020 14h00

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Hello Geert, the problem is that the new BSI is come directly from PSA factory and the BSI has already the last version of firmware (flash memory).
We have tried to update it with Diagbox.
That I don't understand, why keyless (ADML part : lock, unlock and start engine) system is working fine... ADML is using the same frequency 433,92Mhz and coding but i'm not able to syncronize remote keyless buttons...
I have also replaced keys by new one that I have bought as well from PSA dealer.

P.S : my question there's some dependancy between VIN and PIN code ?
For example, if I will buy used BSI + ADML + remotes from another car and I will change only VIN on them. Remote buttons will work or it will be the same case that I have now ?

When i look up the remotes in Service Box i see that there are multiple systems available, see attachement. I know with old BSI from 206 around the year 2000, the BSI could work with 4 different type of remotes, but the correct type must be configured in the BSI. Else, the BSI wouldn't learn the remote (resulting in anti-jamming after a few tries).

Maybe this also applies to the 308? Can you configure a remote type?

Also, most of the times, diagbox shows a procedure to match remotes. I don't know the procedure for the 308 (T9) specifically, but did you try to put the car on ignition and then press and hold the lock or unlock button for a few seconds? (This is not a program, but synchronize action. The programming of the code should be done during configuration with diagbox)

gpv 23/09/2020 14h07

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hmm attachement was reduced in size, so it is not readable anymore.

Here is a second attempt, with only the remote type options, depending on RPO number.

POCOYO 23/09/2020 16h24

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hmm attachement was reduced in size, so it is not readable anymore.

Here is a second attempt, with only the remote type options, depending on RPO number.


Hi dear friend you show different frequency 315mhz is out of Europe

In Europe it’s 433mhz
On different RPO

But it’s not the problem to turn on remote control

Some BSI need other procedure to make operating remote when you programming a new key

barthdu22 23/09/2020 19h49

Salut, est ce que le N° de serie est identique dans le BSi + pare brise+ carte grise + frappe a froid (derriere le bocal de liquide de refroidissement sur le support amortisseur)?

BlackWar 24/09/2020 01h59

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Salut, est ce que le N° de serie est identique dans le BSi + pare brise+ carte grise + frappe a froid (derriere le bocal de liquide de refroidissement sur le support amortisseur)?

Bien sûr. Sinon, qui voudrait acheter une voiture pareil =) Elle passera jamais au contrôle technique.

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When i look up the remotes in Service Box i see that there are multiple systems available, see attachement. I know with old BSI from 206 around the year 2000, the BSI could work with 4 different type of remotes, but the correct type must be configured in the BSI. Else, the BSI wouldn't learn the remote (resulting in anti-jamming after a few tries).

Maybe this also applies to the 308? Can you configure a remote type?

Also, most of the times, diagbox shows a procedure to match remotes. I don't know the procedure for the 308 (T9) specifically, but did you try to put the car on ignition and then press and hold the lock or unlock button for a few seconds? (This is not a program, but synchronize action. The programming of the code should be done during configuration with diagbox)

There's no possibility to change remote key model.
I have followed Diag-box procedure to sync remote. Without success.

BlackWar 24/09/2020 02h12

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salut je viens de changer sur 308 2017 bsi et clés et pareil je me retrouve dans le même cas impossible de synchroniser les télécommandes. Voiture demarre et keyless fonctionne.
Programmation et codage en ligne avec Diagbox jeton.
Je me retrouve dans la même situation que toi

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... et pareil j'ai OUI sur "réception d'un message non identifié

Idem, il y a rien à faire ))) Tu vas rigoler, j'ai déjà changé : BSI, module ADML, lecteur des clés électroniques et les clés.

Maintenant, j'ai deux kit : BSI + module ADML + lecteur + télécommande...
Un dans la voiture et le deuxième sur la table.
Je m'amuse avec le second sur la table : effacer les eeproms, télécoder, flasher,...
Même scénario que dans la voiture.

J'ai pressentiment qu'avant de rajouter la nouvelle télécommande avec diag-box, il faut la coder spécifiquement pour le BSI donné (=sécurité).

PS. j'en ai plein les boules ))))) de ce système ))))

DIAGSYSTEM25 24/09/2020 03h12

Slt tu as regardé du côté des portières.....les serrures

BlackWar 24/09/2020 13h32

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Slt tu as regardé du côté des portières.....les serrures

Salut, que faut-il regarder au niveau des serrures ? Merci :)

DIAGSYSTEM25 24/09/2020 16h43

D après se que j'ai compris il y a une info la dessus chez Peugeot concernant le main libre

momo78100 28/09/2020 23h27

Est ce que le pin appris est celui donner par le concessionaire ? Ou tu a mis le pin de la voiture ?

Pour ma part tu dois bigo oser le verrou de colonne


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