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Old 04-07-2018, 12:23 PM   #1
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voila jai une c3 1.4 hdi qui ne veux pas demmarer. meme avec le start pilote elle ne se lance pas. elle demarre au start mais apres rien.
j ai remarquer qu il y a de l air dans le gasoil mais jai pas eu le temps de remplir le filtre afin d essayer car il pleut. mais j ai fais un diag avec delphi je trouve un probleme de capteur vibrequin est ce que c est normal et est ce que le problème pourrait venir de ce capteur? ou bien c est juste le gasoil?
voici le diag avec delphi et wow j ai même pas eu le temps de tester avec lexia.

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Old 04-07-2018, 12:40 PM   #2
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si tu as un probleme capteur aac,normal qu'elle ne demarre pas

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je voulais dire PMH,villebrequin
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oui bien sur le capteur pmh(capteur vilebrequin) empêche le démarrage ,commence par vérifier la connexion du capteur,et pour amorcer le circuit gasoil tu devrais avoir une poire d’amorçage sur le 1.4 hdi
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oui bien sur le capteur pmh(capteur vilebrequin) empêche le démarrage ,commence par vérifier la connexion du capteur,et pour amorcer le circuit gasoil tu devrais avoir une poire d’amorçage sur le 1.4 hdi
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voila c'a ressemble a ça l'ami
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Old 04-07-2018, 01:01 PM   #5
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salut ouvre la gaine qui part du capteur de position vilebrequin , en montant jusqu'au clips
sur le carter de distrie là les fil se s'ont dénudés en frottant avec les vibrations ils se touchent !!
il existe un kit faisceau en réparation ref 00006569KY

la broche et 60 cm de faisceau et 3 connecteurs thermosoudables ...
2) pour l'air dans le tuyaut ! les tuyauts on tendence a vibrer sur le cache culbuteur ils finnissent par se percer !! mais ton prob vient de capteur position vilebrequin
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Old 04-07-2018, 01:28 PM   #6
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merci pour vos reponses

hatem006 oui je sais qui y a une poire je connais les 1.4 hdi mais vu qu elle a du mal a tirer je me suis dit c est peut etre que cela.

jphp ok merci pour toutes les info s aurrait tu si c est le meme que les bosh car c est un siemens et j ai vu sur oscaro qu il detaille bien pour moi c est le meme mais c est pour etre sur. par exemple pour 15 e j ai celui ci mais en montage bosh

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je vais controler le faisceau avec un multimetre

pour les durites de gasoil oui je sais cest la maladie sur les 1.4 hdi
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le controle du faisceau en prioritée,c'est une faiblesse sur pas mal de moteur
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le capteur n'a surement rien !, pas la peine de le changer si les fils se touchent !!
le probleme vient de la gaine en forme de ressort et du clips qui tien la gaine sur le cache culbut etranglement !! la gaine cizaille les fil juste a cet endroit
donne moi les huit derniers caracteres du vin en MP je te donne la ref exact du capteur et du faisceau de remplacement
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je te mit le capteur aac je me suis plante ok ok je tenvoie cela
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Old 04-07-2018, 03:03 PM   #10
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salut,

fait un test de continuité et d'isolation entre les fils avant d'ouvrir le faisceau, connecteur débrancher de chaque coté !
multimètre en mode ohmmètre !! (pas en test de continuité bip/buzzer)
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fait un test de continuité et d'isolation entre les fils avant d'ouvrir le faisceau, connecteur débrancher de chaque coté !
multimètre en mode ohmmètre !! (pas en test de continuité bip/buzzer)
slt le prob avec cette méthode si les fil se touchent a peine !! en bougeant le faisceau ca risque d'etre bon !! c'est mieux d'ouvrir pour etre sure en visuel tu pourra toujours refermer mm probleme que sur ce post ===>> http://www.tlemcen-electronic.com/fo...ad.php?t=73730
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non jphp !! ca voiture ne démarre pas !
a la limite ce serai des coupure moteur en roulant peu être.
il y a différente façon de si prendre aussi, par exemple tu laisse ton multimètre brancher pendant les contrôle puis tu touche le faisceau et regarde si changement sur le multimétre.
ca implique d'avoir des pointes de touche capable de rester verrouiller dans le connecteur.

et justement si les fil se touche a peine impératif :
multimètre en mode ohmmètre !! (pas en test de continuité bip/buzzer)
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ce serait un 1.6 je dit pas, là sur 1.4 probleme connu vu et revu 500 fois
pas facile de brancher multi dans la broche et au calculateur en mm temps en plus si juste a peine abimé rien qu'en touchant l faisceau l prob risque de passer inapercus!'
le plus simple et plus rapide ouvre le faisceau la gaine est juste fermée au bout pas besoin de couper au cutter !! coupe le collier ryslam de l’agrafe qui tiens le tout sur le cache de distrie
et post une photo si possible p0335 ligne A du capteur de position de vilebrequin panne du circuit causes possible faisceau/ capteur/calculateur !!
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beaucoup de gens utilise leur multimètre en mode (test de continuité bip/buzzer) par exemple pour contrôler un court circuit entre 2 fil, et passe a coté de la panne.
ce que j'explique dépend aussi du multimètre utiliser.
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Bien dit rotax tout dépend de l'impédance de ton multimètre généralement plus il est de qualité moin tu as de risque mais la majorité tu peut tester une résistance au buzzer il va buzzer alors sur un contrôle de continuité 😕. C'est comme les mesure de tension en fonction de l'intensité j'aime bien utiliser la lampe témoin. Plusieurs fois je me suis fais avoir avec des 12v qui ne faisait même pas clairer une lampe 5W.
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